The Way Out Of This Mess Part 4.
Today’s choice for this series explains my choice of Macbeth, so bear with me.
I had intended to make this the last in the series but then I realised that that would mean that there had been three men interviewed and two women, so I thought I should even that out. Additionally I thought that perhaps we should end with the down to earth way forward, the grassroots way forward. So we will end with Winston Marshall interviewing Kellie-Jay Keen but today we have a most remarkable interview by Jordan Peterson (JP) with Andrew Doyle (AD). As with all these interviews it is long but it is well worth the effort.
After some 50 minutes they get on to what AD regards as amounting to transcendence and he chooses great art. He says the current problem with production of art is the woke gatekeepers and the fact that the woke tear down great art . He points to great artists of the past such as William Blake who stayed true to his art despite being impoverished. Now he says you would get highest marks for problematising texts and acting like a moral detective.
He refers to the re-writing of someone like P G Wodehouse who he describes as the greatest prose stylist in the English language and he deplores those who think they can improve his work.
He says it is probably better nowadays to read Shakespeare because otherwise you are likely to get a sermon instead of a play. He refers to Belfast University attaching trigger warnings to Macbeth because it is seen as ‘morally dangerous’. However Macbeth is one of Shakespeare’s greatest plays precisely because it is disturbing. You go along with Macbeth knowing it could be you. Macbeth knows everything he is doing is wrong but he can’t stop it happening.
JP states that the great authors pit good against evil in the soul of a single individual. You experience a divine drama in your own soul. He talks of walking along the Via Dolorosa in Jerusalem - Christ’s route to Calvary. You imagine yourself as the mob, as the best friend who betrays Jesus, as a Pharisee or as the Roman ruler.
The woke can only judge the past but you need to understand that there is a part of you that could dwell in hell.
AD says that the woke prevent you having that experience.
JP says that the woke shuffle off the responsibility of confronting Satan in the desert.
AD mentions that King Lear was originally re-written to avoid the final scene where Lear carries in his dead daughter, Cordelia who has been hung. Audiences couldn’t initially handle this.
JP refers to studying what happened in Auschwitz and in the Gulag - you can put yourself in the position of the camp guard. If you look at this horror, you can transcend it.
AD states that the woke don’t realise that they are the cruellest of the cruel.
AD moves on to gender ideology. Most transitioned kids are gay. Therefore this movement is actively anti-gay. Stonewall redefined ‘homosexual’ as ‘same gender attracted’. Nancy Kelley ( see further below) refers to lesbians who won’t include men in their dating pool as ‘sexual racists.’ She says homosexuals are bigoted. These people are like the old school bullies.
JP points out that this is what they do in Tehran.
AD agrees that Iran and Stonewall are peas in a pod. Gay activists ( see some of them below as well!!) have had to come out of retirement to fight this nonsense. It is more dangerous now to be a gay kid. They might ‘chop your dick off.’
JP refers to ‘woke capitalism’ - ‘ the bastard child of greed and ideology.’
They both hope that the kids pretending to be animals are being ‘satirical.’ They say they think that the kids are the hope for the future.
I hope you enjoy the full interview. 😎
Women’s Rights Network
Shout out as ever to WRN.
They have just been celebrating Global Women’s Day.
https://twitter.com/WomensRightsNet/status/1678303494720172038
And from their latest newsletter they are looking for “ordinary” women…
Women's Rights Network members are far from ordinary, but the WRN press team is looking for those of us who are not famous!
A national newspaper wants to write a feature about women being “cancelled” for their gender critical (GC) views. High-profile cases have been covered before, so they are looking for “ordinary” women cancelled from their jobs, book clubs, sports clubs, baby groups etc. because they dared to say that they thought women should have single-sex spaces or similar.
This could be a great feature to show how gender ideology is impacting the lives of women and girls - but they will want you to be identified. We realise this is a huge request, but if anyone is willing to appear in this feature, please get in touch with journalist Jill Foster (jill@jillfoster.co.uk). We need about six brave women to come forward and Jill promises to hold your hand throughout the process.
Bad Law Project
EDI Jester has just featured the launch in Parliament by the excellent Project of a Bill about sex education and the announcement that they are taking action against the Department for Education. Excellent news! Barry asked that this be circulated, so here it is:
More Positive News From Australia
As readers know there have been some positive reports ( for a change) coming out of Australia, and thanks to Feminist Legal Clinic for the latest one:
Child psychiatrists call for national standards amid raging transgender medicine debate ( 15 July)
The specialist youth and adolescent arm of the nation’s peak psychiatry college is pushing for national guidelines on the care of young people with gender distress and gender dysphoria as doctors around the country say they feel muzzled and fearful of expressing professional views on gender medicine.
The Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists’ Faculty of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry bi-national committee held an extraordinary meeting this week to discuss member concerns over the provision of services for young people presenting with gender dysphoria and incongruence.
“During this meeting, some members expressed their hesitancy to discuss gender issues or raise concerns and raised the importance of robust, evidence-based debate,” according to a communique issued after the meeting and sent to psychiatrists. The committee unanimously agreed to support any psychiatrist or trainee to raise concerns during the course of their employment about any aspect of practice.
Some child psychiatrists at the meeting, which was called in the wake of gender-critical Queensland psychiatrist Jillian Spencer being stood down from clinical duties, expressed concerns about the lack of evidence underpinning medicalised affirmative care of young people with gender incongruence, and uncertainty over whether treating such children with puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones reduced mental distress.
Bye Bye, Sexual Racist!
So the CEO of Stonewall, Nancy Kelley, who famously described lesbians as ‘sexual racists’, is standing down. This is discussed at length on the Queens’ Speech and please note that there is going to be a special The Mess on the subject at 4pm tomorrow (Sunday). Here is the Queens’ Speech in case you missed it which, of course, contains many other interesting items ( the still below gives you the clue to one of the items 😎):
Tate Woo Woo
I previously reported on the rehang at Tate Britain and the introduction of new labelling:
https://dustymasterson.substack.com/p/the-lady-of-shalott
The new rehang at Tate Britain has replaced some of its most popular paintings to make space for contemporary works about politics, colonialism and environmental disaster.
In an “inclusive view of art history”, in the words of the gallery’s director, works on display will be accompanied by labels that have been updated to provide historical context.
This week, while down in London on paid work, I paid my first visit to the Tate Britain since my report. I can’t really report on what works have been taken away since I do not have an encyclopaedic knowledge of the collection though I am sure the report was true. No sign of the Lady of Shalott! But I did study some of the labels! Some that were purely factual were ok but lots were very annoying (to say the least) in that they were, effectively, telling you what to think. I’ll give you one example, a lovely landscape by Dora Carrington Farm at Watendlath (1921).
The label includes the following: The two small figures gaze towards the landscape, possibly contemplating their own femininity.
What the f*** are you talking about!! What is that based on? What does it matter what they’re thinking? And anyway how would you know what they’re thinking!?
And finally…
Let’s end with another lovely Dora Carrington painting, The Mill at Tidmarsh (1918).
Let us know if you know what the swans are thinking 😎
I’ve listened to the excellent KJK/ Marshall interview but Andrew Doyle and Jordan Peterson!! -brilliant, can’t wait. Thanks also for the Mess heads up.
The swans are looking for a bell to pull to get food like the Swans at Wells Cathedral. The woman in the painting is wondering whether the pointing needs doing.
🤞that the schools advice works.
Thanks Dusty.